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I've been scouring the internets and looking up all sorts of weird stuff and decided to find out exactly what steampunk is - only to find that I knew exactly what it was, just not the name. I love this pic of honest Abe. Now I'm wondering, is there a name for that sort of Art Deco sci-fi revival that appears in the video game Bioshock? Or the similar 50's sort of sci-fi in another video game Fallout 3 and the movie Skycaptian and the World of Tomorrrow? I really wish that they would've made the G.I. Joe movie with a reimagined 80's kind of sci-fi. I really dig the idea of taking an old ascetic and either making it sci-fi (e.g. Steampunk) or resurrecting an outdated vision of sci-fi. Is there a name for doing all that? Or even that medieval sci-fi that you can find in a ton of anime?
I read all of these posts and they are all pretty funny. I enjoyed reading the one about the zombies in pride and prejudice. Is that for real or was that just made up because I would totally read that book.
Actually we have talked about life, at least indirectly.
Certainly life can be viewed as a narrative with a beginning middle and end, but I wonder if to some extent the opposite might be true? What if the sense in which we recognize a story's progress to resemble a meaningful is actually based in the extent to which it resembles the ordinary progress of life?
To make it a historical conjecture, perhaps narrative emerged and gained form as a response to the most common temporal/causal structure available: 1) birth 2) life 3) death.
I'm a bit curious as to why we didn't talk about sales at all in the course, it could have added another layer of knowledge as to why people like medium X more than medium Y. For movies, The Dark Knight broke all possible box office records while it was in theaters.
I can answer this: take a look at the new number 1.
If we just consider those top two spots, I think you've got a pretty clear demonstration of why sales figures aren't that reliable a measure of quality or analytical merit. Now, I'm not trying to be an anti-Twilight snob, since I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the movies. But the critics seem to agree that Dark Knight is a better use of one's time than Twilight.
Since I have actually seen Dark Knight, I can say there's plenty of compelling storytelling there to talk about. I suspect that a discussion of Twilight would have to deal with the problematic gender representations of the characters or the (according to some people) utter lack of compelling storytelling. Both conversations would be productive, but neither is an automatic consequence of either's box office numbers. Make sense?
If you look at it, some games will be better with atmosphere, some won't. the same goes for movies. If you were to watch a streetcar named desire, the atmosphere has a lot of flexibility, because that's not what you're supposed to be paying attention to. The sam goes for romeo and juliet, twelve angry men, as well as a host of other politically based movies. Now if we were to watch "into the wild" we would need Alaska in all it's awesome glory. THe same goes for "Jeremiah Johnson" needing the Rocky's. Rambo needs some insane warzone with epic places to hideand ambush people with a knife. I have never played a "survival horror game" unless you count cub scout camp, but if it is necessary to the genre to set up that particular situation, than I would say that is all that you need. I know when I used to babysit we played some game called "kingdom hearts" where I played as goofy and beat people up with a giant key. what made the game awesome though was the fact that every world we went to though was intensely disney, and it was that environment that made the game.
However if someone needs atmosphere to play minesweeper than maybe they should be slapped.
Other games such as the Call of Duty series, you are generally too busy shooting things to notice the scenery, unless your shooting your name into the scenery with it. the small maps on multiplayer are the best, becasue who needs atmosphere when you've got a scope and a joystick?
Ah well I think the books are better than the movies, personally I imagined things to be a lot different, but they're still not bad at all. I just like the books more. It's so interesting seeing the various director's visions for the separate worlds. I believe one director directed the first and second, and a different one did the third, there's such an obvious difference in the cinematography. It was also the first movie where they wore regular clothes (jeans, sweaters) rather than their school uniforms.
My girlfriend sent me the first video awhile ago, and the sad thing is I know people who are just hooked to games. Me and a good friend of mine came to blows in middle school because he was so hooked into GTF VIce City that he couldn't say three sentences without talking about the game. I have another friend now, who did cry when he ran out of WOW play time (apparently you have to buy it several hours at a time, and he was broke), and while he didn't take off his pants and beat himself in the head with a tv remote, it is the only time I have seen that kid cry. It seems to be that some poele get so obbsessed witht hese games that it becomes more of a reality to them than real life, probably because it is easier and has less negative consequences.
If you dont believe me try logging onto a free version of WOW called Runescape, and try to ask someone how much they play online, and why. I did it last year and kept pissing people off.
I myself haven't read more than a paragraph of the twilight series, nor am I a huge Haryy potter fan, but Rowling did an excellent job with he creation of her whole magical world. My understanding of Twighlight involves there being a competition between Vampires as to whether they will be nice to humans, or get along with them. If that plot is a hit, then why don't we have the same thing with dogs deciding whether or not to like the animals they are supposed to hunt.....
Oh wait, thats a propagandic DIsney Movie called Fox and The Hound.
While I love fox and the hound, I do not agree with the message it portrays, or its stereotyping of hunters. The fact that some kids think that it is possible for an animal to go against all of its instincts without any kind of social pressure is ridiculous, and as such I don't see how vampires (who last I checked feed off of humans ) could do a 180 and decide to be friends with them. I Can Understand keeping an animal as a pet, and not eating it, but once again that is a cultural thing that wouldn't come to blows generally. however as is shown in the classics "A Day No Pigs would Die", "Old Yeller", and "The Yearling" people are able to understand that sometimes the thing you love, that isn't like you, has to be put down.
On the Other hand Harry potter is well written, has some intense character development, as well as a lack of clearly defined Good Guys and Bad guys. The lack of stereotypical good guys and bad guys is not as good or as progressed as Jeffrey Archer, Garth Ennis, or Robert Morrel, however one has to notice that Dumbledore isn't perfect (even if he generally is awesome), sirius black was not a bad guy, and Snape was rotten thru and thru, but was still able to be on the right side (if the punisher was skinny and magical, he would be Snape). The books were much better written and had a much more feasible storyline.
And as such Harry Potter gets my vote.
By the way, are any of the harry potter movies any good? I haven't seen one all the way thru yet, but I've seen most of the first one and I played my cousins computer game for the second one.
I never got the game to work on my computer, but the social awkwardness that exists in the alternative reality really bugged me. The only thing i could stand to do when I played the game in class was to either piss them both off, or walk out the door. While I would normally have just walked out the door, i did say some things to them simply to piss them off because it's so tempting in those situations to just be a pain in the rear. Like you said however calling them childish names doesnt solve any of the issues, resulting in no progress being made. All I want to know is if anyone actually enjoyed the game thru the awkwardness and actually enjoyed trying to beat it? because if so your a better person than me.
Yes, reading the book straight through will give a different story if the reader decides to skip chapters. Although, the author gives a specific order for those who take the second option
I understand completely the point you made about dismissing objections as "political correctness" being illinformed and possibly destructive, however I believe that the big thing to look at is context. However i had not meant it to be dismissive, only I object to it's clout in covering up parts of american history that are still shaping certain parts of america today. I see some attempts to rewrite American history as driving rifts between certain cultures within our nation.
What i do believe is that everything needs to be looked at in context. While some words are offensive, i believe that they need to be looked at by historians and viewers in the context that it was written. It would be wrong for some old terms to be revised with modern meanings, and be dismissed as using the older definition, but we should not look to change our history, just to make it more applicable and appealing today. And I also do agree with you that there is a difference between celebration and preservation. In some cases celebrating a historical or cultural item can truly be dangerous, but preservation is absolutly necessary from a historians point of view.Just as an example of this look at context, and to tie it into your point at the end of your response, one should consider that when steamboat willie was introduced (1928) there was a general sense that animals did not have souls. Thereby the hierarchy in the animal kingdom can be determined, by which have human traits, like the need to wear pants. In a largely christian populace this could be likened to Adam and Eve first wearing clothes int he garden of Eden, and thereby they would be considered the superiors of the soul inhumanized less unclothed animals.
Granted, unless you're playing a virtual reality game, you don't have "direct" contact with the game per se. And yeah, you aren't literally put into the shoes of James Sunderland/insert character name here, but you certainly have more control over them than in any other medium. With a book you're turning the pages, there isn't much variety in that unless you literally write a different story into the book or read the pages in a convoluted order... which I imagine would be actually pretty funny. So, yes, you're pushing buttons (or in the case of the Wii/VR games flailing wildly), but that gives the recipient more choices of what to do, which allows them some form of control.
And at the first point, it's true that a plot for a video game will start out on paper in either a script or a slightly novelized form (depending how verbose it is.) What they do with that in turning it into a video game makes it more enjoyable when taking the story in, at least in my opinion.
I had this book as a kid, and I definitely remember being frustrated by it. I also found that even after I did find the ending, I had a hard time finding it again. You just have to be patient!
I don't if an other books in this project have the same single-ending structure, so I'll be very interested to see your visualization.
How does this Hopscotch book work? I'm not familiar with it. To me, the name suggests that you might be able to get different stories by selecting to either read or skip specific chapters, and then go back through and do the opposite (skipping v. reading). Is that it?
This is not to say that I disagree with the sentiments, so much as I just want to understand why it is often condemned in films, but no one bats an eye when it happens in music.
This is an interesting question. Perhaps because the culture of reception around music is different than that of film, in terms of how performance is configured. There's a sense with music where we admire the individual's performing a familiar piece. If there is any perceived relationship with the original, it's typically an homage.
With film, however, we don't have as clear a sense of an individual agent performing the work. It's a collective and corporate work that we assocate with re-telling for the purpose of appropriation.
But yeah I agree. I'm glad to hear that traditional 2D animation still has a place, and it's cool that stop motion animation isn't dead -- although since it's Wes Anderson directing it's probably full of self-conscious cinematography and subtly ironic nostalgia.
This is a touchy subject -- that is, the question of how to preserve history including those elements of it that we no longer consider appropriate discourse, without appearing to celebrate those problems. Racism is real, and the use of stereotypes and derogatory terms to degrade any group of people is a bad thing. I know you're not condoning racism, and for all I know, the 2nd Carolina String Band isn't either (this is the first I've heard of them), but it seems to me there's a difference between preservation and celebration, and the latter can sometimes be used to foment latent racism.
To refer to these objections as "political correctness" bugs me, because it sounds dismissive of both the power of language to shape our culture and reality, and of the damage it has done.
Anyway, Steamboat Willie does contain elements in that some could be offended by -- legitimately. The history of its different versions (and as I said in class, "censorship" isn't the correct word since, as far as I know, the removal of certain shots was Disney's idea) is also the history of Disney evolving the character of Mickey to be more of a kid-friendly character.
The scene with the pig is offensive or at least surprising to us because, however you understand the hierarchy of the animal kingdom in this cartoon, the scene makes a joke of Mickey poking the mother pig's breasts. Even if the intent was not to depict a sexual assault, Disney felt (and we seemed to agree in class), that it looked that way.
I think the interesting issue is how we or the original animators (directed by Ub Iwerks) parse the interspecies relationships: some animals talk and wear pants, some animals don't. And that's pretty weird anyway.
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The genre you describe (Skycaptain, Bioshock etc.) is called Dieselpunk.
It is a close cousin of steampunk but set a few decades later.
I've been scouring the internets and looking up all sorts of weird stuff and decided to find out exactly what steampunk is - only to find that I knew exactly what it was, just not the name. I love this pic of honest Abe. Now I'm wondering, is there a name for that sort of Art Deco sci-fi revival that appears in the video game Bioshock? Or the similar 50's sort of sci-fi in another video game Fallout 3 and the movie Skycaptian and the World of Tomorrrow? I really wish that they would've made the G.I. Joe movie with a reimagined 80's kind of sci-fi. I really dig the idea of taking an old ascetic and either making it sci-fi (e.g. Steampunk) or resurrecting an outdated vision of sci-fi. Is there a name for doing all that? Or even that medieval sci-fi that you can find in a ton of anime?
I read all of these posts and they are all pretty funny. I enjoyed reading the one about the zombies in pride and prejudice. Is that for real or was that just made up because I would totally read that book.
Actually we have talked about life, at least indirectly.
Certainly life can be viewed as a narrative with a beginning middle and end, but I wonder if to some extent the opposite might be true? What if the sense in which we recognize a story's progress to resemble a meaningful is actually based in the extent to which it resembles the ordinary progress of life?
To make it a historical conjecture, perhaps narrative emerged and gained form as a response to the most common temporal/causal structure available: 1) birth 2) life 3) death.
I can answer this: take a look at the new number 1.
If we just consider those top two spots, I think you've got a pretty clear demonstration of why sales figures aren't that reliable a measure of quality or analytical merit. Now, I'm not trying to be an anti-Twilight snob, since I haven't read any of the books or seen any of the movies. But the critics seem to agree that Dark Knight is a better use of one's time than Twilight.
Since I have actually seen Dark Knight, I can say there's plenty of compelling storytelling there to talk about. I suspect that a discussion of Twilight would have to deal with the problematic gender representations of the characters or the (according to some people) utter lack of compelling storytelling. Both conversations would be productive, but neither is an automatic consequence of either's box office numbers. Make sense?
America isn't the only nation that goes crazy over video games.
World of Warcraft has a large proportion of its users in China.
Dragon Quest IX moved millions of copies within a week of its release in Japan.
Also in Japan, PlayStation 3 sales spiked noticably the instant a deal became available with the PS3s bundled with a certain Gundam video game.
And then there's Europe...
If you look at it, some games will be better with atmosphere, some won't. the same goes for movies. If you were to watch a streetcar named desire, the atmosphere has a lot of flexibility, because that's not what you're supposed to be paying attention to. The sam goes for romeo and juliet, twelve angry men, as well as a host of other politically based movies. Now if we were to watch "into the wild" we would need Alaska in all it's awesome glory. THe same goes for "Jeremiah Johnson" needing the Rocky's. Rambo needs some insane warzone with epic places to hideand ambush people with a knife. I have never played a "survival horror game" unless you count cub scout camp, but if it is necessary to the genre to set up that particular situation, than I would say that is all that you need. I know when I used to babysit we played some game called "kingdom hearts" where I played as goofy and beat people up with a giant key. what made the game awesome though was the fact that every world we went to though was intensely disney, and it was that environment that made the game.
However if someone needs atmosphere to play minesweeper than maybe they should be slapped.
Other games such as the Call of Duty series, you are generally too busy shooting things to notice the scenery, unless your shooting your name into the scenery with it. the small maps on multiplayer are the best, becasue who needs atmosphere when you've got a scope and a joystick?
Ah well I think the books are better than the movies, personally I imagined things to be a lot different, but they're still not bad at all. I just like the books more. It's so interesting seeing the various director's visions for the separate worlds. I believe one director directed the first and second, and a different one did the third, there's such an obvious difference in the cinematography. It was also the first movie where they wore regular clothes (jeans, sweaters) rather than their school uniforms.
My girlfriend sent me the first video awhile ago, and the sad thing is I know people who are just hooked to games. Me and a good friend of mine came to blows in middle school because he was so hooked into GTF VIce City that he couldn't say three sentences without talking about the game. I have another friend now, who did cry when he ran out of WOW play time (apparently you have to buy it several hours at a time, and he was broke), and while he didn't take off his pants and beat himself in the head with a tv remote, it is the only time I have seen that kid cry. It seems to be that some poele get so obbsessed witht hese games that it becomes more of a reality to them than real life, probably because it is easier and has less negative consequences.
If you dont believe me try logging onto a free version of WOW called Runescape, and try to ask someone how much they play online, and why. I did it last year and kept pissing people off.
I myself haven't read more than a paragraph of the twilight series, nor am I a huge Haryy potter fan, but Rowling did an excellent job with he creation of her whole magical world. My understanding of Twighlight involves there being a competition between Vampires as to whether they will be nice to humans, or get along with them. If that plot is a hit, then why don't we have the same thing with dogs deciding whether or not to like the animals they are supposed to hunt.....
Oh wait, thats a propagandic DIsney Movie called Fox and The Hound.
While I love fox and the hound, I do not agree with the message it portrays, or its stereotyping of hunters. The fact that some kids think that it is possible for an animal to go against all of its instincts without any kind of social pressure is ridiculous, and as such I don't see how vampires (who last I checked feed off of humans ) could do a 180 and decide to be friends with them. I Can Understand keeping an animal as a pet, and not eating it, but once again that is a cultural thing that wouldn't come to blows generally. however as is shown in the classics "A Day No Pigs would Die", "Old Yeller", and "The Yearling" people are able to understand that sometimes the thing you love, that isn't like you, has to be put down.
On the Other hand Harry potter is well written, has some intense character development, as well as a lack of clearly defined Good Guys and Bad guys. The lack of stereotypical good guys and bad guys is not as good or as progressed as Jeffrey Archer, Garth Ennis, or Robert Morrel, however one has to notice that Dumbledore isn't perfect (even if he generally is awesome), sirius black was not a bad guy, and Snape was rotten thru and thru, but was still able to be on the right side (if the punisher was skinny and magical, he would be Snape). The books were much better written and had a much more feasible storyline.
And as such Harry Potter gets my vote.
By the way, are any of the harry potter movies any good? I haven't seen one all the way thru yet, but I've seen most of the first one and I played my cousins computer game for the second one.
I never got the game to work on my computer, but the social awkwardness that exists in the alternative reality really bugged me. The only thing i could stand to do when I played the game in class was to either piss them both off, or walk out the door. While I would normally have just walked out the door, i did say some things to them simply to piss them off because it's so tempting in those situations to just be a pain in the rear. Like you said however calling them childish names doesnt solve any of the issues, resulting in no progress being made. All I want to know is if anyone actually enjoyed the game thru the awkwardness and actually enjoyed trying to beat it? because if so your a better person than me.
Yes, reading the book straight through will give a different story if the reader decides to skip chapters. Although, the author gives a specific order for those who take the second option
Just Saying. A Modest Proposal is the classsic dry humor to read.
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You can't edit? You should be able to. Do you not have the "edit" tab under the title?
I understand completely the point you made about dismissing objections as "political correctness" being illinformed and possibly destructive, however I believe that the big thing to look at is context. However i had not meant it to be dismissive, only I object to it's clout in covering up parts of american history that are still shaping certain parts of america today. I see some attempts to rewrite American history as driving rifts between certain cultures within our nation.
What i do believe is that everything needs to be looked at in context. While some words are offensive, i believe that they need to be looked at by historians and viewers in the context that it was written. It would be wrong for some old terms to be revised with modern meanings, and be dismissed as using the older definition, but we should not look to change our history, just to make it more applicable and appealing today. And I also do agree with you that there is a difference between celebration and preservation. In some cases celebrating a historical or cultural item can truly be dangerous, but preservation is absolutly necessary from a historians point of view.Just as an example of this look at context, and to tie it into your point at the end of your response, one should consider that when steamboat willie was introduced (1928) there was a general sense that animals did not have souls. Thereby the hierarchy in the animal kingdom can be determined, by which have human traits, like the need to wear pants. In a largely christian populace this could be likened to Adam and Eve first wearing clothes int he garden of Eden, and thereby they would be considered the superiors of the soul inhumanized less unclothed animals.
Granted, unless you're playing a virtual reality game, you don't have "direct" contact with the game per se. And yeah, you aren't literally put into the shoes of James Sunderland/insert character name here, but you certainly have more control over them than in any other medium. With a book you're turning the pages, there isn't much variety in that unless you literally write a different story into the book or read the pages in a convoluted order... which I imagine would be actually pretty funny. So, yes, you're pushing buttons (or in the case of the Wii/VR games flailing wildly), but that gives the recipient more choices of what to do, which allows them some form of control.
And at the first point, it's true that a plot for a video game will start out on paper in either a script or a slightly novelized form (depending how verbose it is.) What they do with that in turning it into a video game makes it more enjoyable when taking the story in, at least in my opinion.
I had this book as a kid, and I definitely remember being frustrated by it. I also found that even after I did find the ending, I had a hard time finding it again. You just have to be patient!
I don't if an other books in this project have the same single-ending structure, so I'll be very interested to see your visualization.
How does this Hopscotch book work? I'm not familiar with it. To me, the name suggests that you might be able to get different stories by selecting to either read or skip specific chapters, and then go back through and do the opposite (skipping v. reading). Is that it?
This is an interesting question. Perhaps because the culture of reception around music is different than that of film, in terms of how performance is configured. There's a sense with music where we admire the individual's performing a familiar piece. If there is any perceived relationship with the original, it's typically an homage.
With film, however, we don't have as clear a sense of an individual agent performing the work. It's a collective and corporate work that we assocate with re-telling for the purpose of appropriation.
Maybe. What do you think?
I think they did go ahead with this, and yes, it is ridiculous.
But yeah I agree. I'm glad to hear that traditional 2D animation still has a place, and it's cool that stop motion animation isn't dead -- although since it's Wes Anderson directing it's probably full of self-conscious cinematography and subtly ironic nostalgia.
This is a touchy subject -- that is, the question of how to preserve history including those elements of it that we no longer consider appropriate discourse, without appearing to celebrate those problems. Racism is real, and the use of stereotypes and derogatory terms to degrade any group of people is a bad thing. I know you're not condoning racism, and for all I know, the 2nd Carolina String Band isn't either (this is the first I've heard of them), but it seems to me there's a difference between preservation and celebration, and the latter can sometimes be used to foment latent racism.
To refer to these objections as "political correctness" bugs me, because it sounds dismissive of both the power of language to shape our culture and reality, and of the damage it has done.
Anyway, Steamboat Willie does contain elements in that some could be offended by -- legitimately. The history of its different versions (and as I said in class, "censorship" isn't the correct word since, as far as I know, the removal of certain shots was Disney's idea) is also the history of Disney evolving the character of Mickey to be more of a kid-friendly character.
The scene with the pig is offensive or at least surprising to us because, however you understand the hierarchy of the animal kingdom in this cartoon, the scene makes a joke of Mickey poking the mother pig's breasts. Even if the intent was not to depict a sexual assault, Disney felt (and we seemed to agree in class), that it looked that way.
I think the interesting issue is how we or the original animators (directed by Ub Iwerks) parse the interspecies relationships: some animals talk and wear pants, some animals don't. And that's pretty weird anyway.
Oops.