"Till Old Becomes New Again" From Erlkönig to Rammstein.

Nov 4 2009

So I realized as I was flipping thru my music Collection the other day, exactly how many songs were no more than revisions of older songs, or otherwise songs based strongly on other ones. The first example of this is when I remembered that Rammstein's son g "Dalai Lama" was based on a much older tune "Erlkönig" or the Elf King, which was an old German song/ poem dating back to the 1800's. The poem was written by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, and was later turned into a Leider (musical piece) by Schubert. The story was definitely rewritten by Rammstein, however after reading a straight translation the similarities of the story stands out. In both of them a fathers fear of his sons omens of death but is unable to save him, and possibly fulfills the omens himself.
Another example of a modern music piece coming from an older poem is Iron Maiden's translation of Sir Alfred Tennesons "The Charge of the Light Brigade" into their hit "The Trooper". Both of these have the same story of the same battle, from the same soldiers sides, and they both show the sacrifice made by the troopers as they bravely and suicidally charged the Cossack position. They do have different messages about what the point to learn about war is however, but they both tell the exact same story in a very dramatic way.
The point of all of this ranting comes down to, why does it matter if we do it in movies, if in songs it is considered acceptable? many bands do covers, and Rammstein and Iron maiden took great liberty retelling the great folk tales of their nation. Why does it cause such an uproar thru public sentiment when we do it with movies? just as an Example, Sig9019 wrote a blog who's title sums up this sentiment "Stop remaking my Originals!" This is not to say that I disagree with the sentiments, so much as I just want to understand why it is often condemned in films, but no one bats an eye when it happens in music.

Erlkonig

Ah I just read "Erlkonig" for German yesterday actually! Yeah it's usually less publicized when songs do it. Vanilla Ice tried to say his opening riff from "Ice Ice Baby" wasn't stolen from Queen's "Under Pressure." I remember when Twista's "Let's Go" came out in like 2001, everyone loved the opening riff. I had to burst their bubble and say "Actually that's from Ozzy's 'Crazy Train'"....You're right it does happen a lot in songs. I just make more of a fuss when they're ruining my Robert Englund Freddy Krueger lol

Legal

Do note: The legal definition of a legally distinct song is that "no three consecutive notes are the same."

I'm not sure how this applies to covers, though...

Sasquatch the Leprechaun

Sasquatch the Leprechaun wrote:
This is not to say that I disagree with the sentiments, so much as I just want to understand why it is often condemned in films, but no one bats an eye when it happens in music.

This is an interesting question. Perhaps because the culture of reception around music is different than that of film, in terms of how performance is configured. There's a sense with music where we admire the individual's performing a familiar piece. If there is any perceived relationship with the original, it's typically an homage.

With film, however, we don't have as clear a sense of an individual agent performing the work. It's a collective and corporate work that we assocate with re-telling for the purpose of appropriation.

Maybe. What do you think?

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